I think both are bad drivers but I have to agree with Mr. Kazinec. Old people shouldn't be behind the wheel. I have been driving behind some of them that you would think are drunk.
According to BLS: In 2008 there were 661,400 physicians and surgeons in 2008; with an expected increase of 22% from 2008 to 2018. (805,500 in 2018). For the purpose of this argument we’ll say 700,000 physicians are currently practicing.
According to the US Census Bureau the US population is currently 308,976,909. Let’s first subtract the 46 (Census 2007 45.7m : Decline from year prior so guessing the unemployment increase balanced out the decline: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin07/hlth07asc.html) million people who currently don’t have health insurance (262,976,909) and divide that by the number of physicians(700,000). (Nearly 375 people to every 1 physician) Now let’s factor in the additional 30 million people that will be covered shall we? (292,976,909) (418 people to every 1 physician). That’s quite an increased demand on physicians.
Now there are a couple of other things to consider. First, how many physicians will retire early and how many will change professions? Also, how many physicians will be added to the roster throughout the four years before the benefits actually kick in for the majority of those 30 million? Do you think the government involvement is going to drive up the demand for physicians? Do you think people are going to be Gung Ho about spending 8+ years in school to become a physician considering the obvious rationing of care, price fixing, etc… that’s going to have to take place to cover 30 million more people?
You make some great points about the additional revenue but leave out a couple of key bits of information. Of those 15 or in this example 30 million new people purchasing insurance, how many of them are actually buying insurance versus paying the fine for not buying coverage? That’s a big deal considering the fine doesn’t exceed 2.5% of your income (From what I understand, haven’t fact checked it). You also need to consider the people who don’t purchase insurance and pay the fine; what’s their income level? Also, what about the tax subsidies to those in the lower income area? That’s coming straight out of the revenue. (Or they may just print that money and not calculate it with the actual cost of health care reform, who knows?)
Other cloudy variables to all of the uninsured stats; how many of the uninsured are illegal aliens? (Of the 47 million estimated uninsured the Kaiser foundation found the nearly 80% were Citizens. (37.6 million left)) Also, how many of those people choose not to carry coverage? I haven’t looked at the numbers on this but it is something to consider. (Well, irrelevant now that the bill passed)
Of course this revenue you speak comes at the cost of forcing Americans(Chiseling away at Freedom) to purchase a good or service which is something that is going to be facing many lawsuits and eventually be evaluated by the Supreme Court. I get extremely tired of hearing the comparison of being forced to buy car insurance. Driving is a privilege and if you want to avoid buying the insurance you can walk, take a train, subway, bus, etc… Can the same be said about health Insurance? No, the government is forcing us to buy something and if we don’t they’re fining us. (Jail time has been mentioned as well.)
Mr. K you are absoutely right.. My dad was taking meds,lost his memory, and drank. Not a good deal. I had DMV take away his license at 79 when he sat in the car for hours trying to figure out which key started his car. Very sad but I also know a grandma that should not be driving....
For kicks and giggles I'll do a little math too. Here's a couple of figures I'll just throw out there first. In his presidential remarks to a joint session of Congress President Obama stated that under the new health care reform that it will help insure over 30 million Americans who had previously gone without insurance coverage.
(Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/ )
Several reports done by news, health organizations, and health providers show that in 2009 the average cost of insurance per single person was approximately $5,000 dollars, while family premiums hovered around $13,000 dollars.
(Source: http://www.usatoday.com/money )
Now let's do some math!! If you take $5,000 plus $13,000, you get= $18,000 dollars. Now divide that by 2 and you get the average cost of insurance premiums per person in the United States for 2009. Which is $9,000 dollars. Let's take this number out for a spin.
Let's just consider half. Not even anywhere close to Obama's figures, but just half of those he says this reform will now cover. 15 million people. 15 million new people paying insurance. How much will that generate in revenue for hundreds, if not thousands of companies, doctors, dentists, hospitals, etc. Let's just add it up and see. Let's assume that 15 million people pay out the average cost of premiums from 2009 at $9,000 dollars per person. Drumroll....
You get $135,000,000,000.00. That's right. You're looking at actual dollars that can be generated from just half of the figure Obama states will now be covered. That's one hundred thirty-five Billion dollars of revenue for our economy.
Now, just for kicks and giggles let's play a little more math time. Times that figure times two and you get the expected revenue from the entire 30 million insured. That brings the overall revenue (yearly) to a quarter of a trillion dollars.
I don't need to explain exactly how this helps everyone do I. From the plastics corporations who manufacture the tubes for syringes, to the staff at your local hospital, the dentists who save the tooth you didn't think would make it, to the carseat you have to purchase for a bouncing baby boy.
I have belief in my president, and I have faith in his policies. I want them to work because America needs them to work so very badly. You can argue that 17,000 agents cost so much annually, but I know he has a reason. I know it must be a good one at that. He has promised fiscal responsibility, growth, and I believe him. I know you do not, but I do.
For kicks and giggles I did a little math.
17,000 IRS agents multiplied by the median average wage for all tax examiners, collectors, and revenue agents were $48,100.00 and you get:
$817,700,000.00 annually.
So nearly a billion dollars a year will go to pay IRS employees to enforce all of the new taxes that will be imposed as the Health Bill materializes.
(Excerpt: In May 2008, median annual wages for all tax examiners, collectors, and revenue agents were $48,100. The middle 50 percent earned between $36,590 and $66,730. The bottom 10 percent earned less than $28,390, and the top 10 percent earned more than $89,630. However, wages vary considerably, depending on the level of government and occupational specialty. For example, in March 2009, the Federal Government’s average annual salary was $42,035 for tax examiners, $91,507 for internal revenue agents, and $63,547 for tax specialists.)
While I won't be losing sleep over this it does irritate me. I'm not sure if this will end up biting them in the a$$ but there really isn't anything that separates them from UPS and Fedex now. That's the one thing USPS had that the others didn't, Saturday service without the extra fees. They might be handing a lot of business over to the other two shipping giants.
First of all let me say that the term "half and half" does not offend me unless it is used in a manner which promotes intolerance. And I too have had and still have friends who are mixed race. I don't like Rush or Howard, and I certainly don't make it a habit to listen to either one of them unless I have to in order to better understand what makes a person like them tick. In reference to stripping state's rights, Texas did not have their rights stripped over a period of time. This is how their government was deliberately set up in the first place. By people who feared government. Now I'm not saying we should place all of our trust into government or the people that run it, but you have to have some faith in the people YOU elect to these positions or else they can affect no real change at all.
I cannot tell you anymore why 17,000 IRS agents will help or worsen the economy as I could sit here and explain the physics or Saturn's rings. I'm not sure myself. I've been reading up on it to figure it out and am still in the process. What I can tell you is this. You are absolutely correct. So long as we continue to give tax credits to corporations who relocate or operate outside of the U.S. borders we are strangling ourselves to death. We need to keep these businesses and jobs here in the United States, where they belong. I sincerely hope Mr. Obama will make the right decisions in the coming weeks, months, and years in order to stabilize the economy. If he doesn't, then we will probably see just a one term president. Only time will tell.
Hopefully we are learn from our mistakes. I know I have. I too made decisions that I thought we in the best interest of my children, and it was very hard to raise them alone for a long time. I know if I could go back I too would do somethings different, however my children have all survived and prospered,so I know God was watching over and forgave.. Anyway life goes on and let's enjoy it...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/hinsure.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm#projections_data
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Rick, it just dawned on me that we've drifted way off topic. If you reply, will you please add it to the health care rivalry? Thanks.
Here’s a few more numbers for you Rick:
According to BLS: In 2008 there were 661,400 physicians and surgeons in 2008; with an expected increase of 22% from 2008 to 2018. (805,500 in 2018). For the purpose of this argument we’ll say 700,000 physicians are currently practicing.
According to the US Census Bureau the US population is currently 308,976,909. Let’s first subtract the 46 (Census 2007 45.7m : Decline from year prior so guessing the unemployment increase balanced out the decline: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin07/hlth07asc.html) million people who currently don’t have health insurance (262,976,909) and divide that by the number of physicians(700,000). (Nearly 375 people to every 1 physician) Now let’s factor in the additional 30 million people that will be covered shall we? (292,976,909) (418 people to every 1 physician). That’s quite an increased demand on physicians.
Now there are a couple of other things to consider. First, how many physicians will retire early and how many will change professions? Also, how many physicians will be added to the roster throughout the four years before the benefits actually kick in for the majority of those 30 million? Do you think the government involvement is going to drive up the demand for physicians? Do you think people are going to be Gung Ho about spending 8+ years in school to become a physician considering the obvious rationing of care, price fixing, etc… that’s going to have to take place to cover 30 million more people?
You make some great points about the additional revenue but leave out a couple of key bits of information. Of those 15 or in this example 30 million new people purchasing insurance, how many of them are actually buying insurance versus paying the fine for not buying coverage? That’s a big deal considering the fine doesn’t exceed 2.5% of your income (From what I understand, haven’t fact checked it). You also need to consider the people who don’t purchase insurance and pay the fine; what’s their income level? Also, what about the tax subsidies to those in the lower income area? That’s coming straight out of the revenue. (Or they may just print that money and not calculate it with the actual cost of health care reform, who knows?)
Other cloudy variables to all of the uninsured stats; how many of the uninsured are illegal aliens? (Of the 47 million estimated uninsured the Kaiser foundation found the nearly 80% were Citizens. (37.6 million left)) Also, how many of those people choose not to carry coverage? I haven’t looked at the numbers on this but it is something to consider. (Well, irrelevant now that the bill passed)
Of course this revenue you speak comes at the cost of forcing Americans(Chiseling away at Freedom) to purchase a good or service which is something that is going to be facing many lawsuits and eventually be evaluated by the Supreme Court. I get extremely tired of hearing the comparison of being forced to buy car insurance. Driving is a privilege and if you want to avoid buying the insurance you can walk, take a train, subway, bus, etc… Can the same be said about health Insurance? No, the government is forcing us to buy something and if we don’t they’re fining us. (Jail time has been mentioned as well.)
(Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/ )
Several reports done by news, health organizations, and health providers show that in 2009 the average cost of insurance per single person was approximately $5,000 dollars, while family premiums hovered around $13,000 dollars.
(Source: http://www.usatoday.com/money )
Now let's do some math!! If you take $5,000 plus $13,000, you get= $18,000 dollars. Now divide that by 2 and you get the average cost of insurance premiums per person in the United States for 2009. Which is $9,000 dollars. Let's take this number out for a spin.
Let's just consider half. Not even anywhere close to Obama's figures, but just half of those he says this reform will now cover. 15 million people. 15 million new people paying insurance. How much will that generate in revenue for hundreds, if not thousands of companies, doctors, dentists, hospitals, etc. Let's just add it up and see. Let's assume that 15 million people pay out the average cost of premiums from 2009 at $9,000 dollars per person. Drumroll....
You get $135,000,000,000.00. That's right. You're looking at actual dollars that can be generated from just half of the figure Obama states will now be covered. That's one hundred thirty-five Billion dollars of revenue for our economy.
Now, just for kicks and giggles let's play a little more math time. Times that figure times two and you get the expected revenue from the entire 30 million insured. That brings the overall revenue (yearly) to a quarter of a trillion dollars.
I don't need to explain exactly how this helps everyone do I. From the plastics corporations who manufacture the tubes for syringes, to the staff at your local hospital, the dentists who save the tooth you didn't think would make it, to the carseat you have to purchase for a bouncing baby boy.
I have belief in my president, and I have faith in his policies. I want them to work because America needs them to work so very badly. You can argue that 17,000 agents cost so much annually, but I know he has a reason. I know it must be a good one at that. He has promised fiscal responsibility, growth, and I believe him. I know you do not, but I do.
17,000 IRS agents multiplied by the median average wage for all tax examiners, collectors, and revenue agents were $48,100.00 and you get:
$817,700,000.00 annually.
So nearly a billion dollars a year will go to pay IRS employees to enforce all of the new taxes that will be imposed as the Health Bill materializes.
(Source: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos260.htm#oes_links )
(Excerpt: In May 2008, median annual wages for all tax examiners, collectors, and revenue agents were $48,100. The middle 50 percent earned between $36,590 and $66,730. The bottom 10 percent earned less than $28,390, and the top 10 percent earned more than $89,630. However, wages vary considerably, depending on the level of government and occupational specialty. For example, in March 2009, the Federal Government’s average annual salary was $42,035 for tax examiners, $91,507 for internal revenue agents, and $63,547 for tax specialists.)
I cannot tell you anymore why 17,000 IRS agents will help or worsen the economy as I could sit here and explain the physics or Saturn's rings. I'm not sure myself. I've been reading up on it to figure it out and am still in the process. What I can tell you is this. You are absolutely correct. So long as we continue to give tax credits to corporations who relocate or operate outside of the U.S. borders we are strangling ourselves to death. We need to keep these businesses and jobs here in the United States, where they belong. I sincerely hope Mr. Obama will make the right decisions in the coming weeks, months, and years in order to stabilize the economy. If he doesn't, then we will probably see just a one term president. Only time will tell.