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Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
As the race for the Republican nominee nears Super Tuesday it has become pretty evident these two are the frontrunners. Who would you prefer to see win the nomination and why?
Debate Leaders
The Boss
(34 votes)
big ben
(31 votes)
logan kazinec
(8 votes)
TNinfidel
(5 votes)
MoNkEy
(5 votes)
Neutral Fans: (4)
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Neutral Comment
Jeff - 8/20/12 @ 7:16 PM:
Sorry just now catching up lol and nope I'm not voting no matter who wins we're screwed anyway
Side A Comment
LIBERAL - 3/14/12 @ 4:38 PM:
Well the truth of the matter is that at the current pace the candidates are going Mitt Romney will more than likely be the Republican nominee. By every account of the states left over to hold primaries and caucuses Santorum would have to secure 75% or more of every state in order to overtake Romney's delegate count. I just don't see that happening at this point. With the likelihood of Paul and Gingrich eventually giving up the race in a few months their delegates would come up for grabs. I'm sure Romney's camp has already considered this and will begin courting them some time soon after the candidates drop out. Not to mention the likely chance that the uncommitted super-delegates will also be up for grabs both before and during the convention. Romney's camp will more than likely secure enough of these votes to get the 1,144 needed to secure the nomination. I sincerely doubt it will end with a contested convention. Not saying it isn't possible, just unlikely. Even if it were to end this way there has never been a case of introducing new candidates that had a chance of securing more votes than either of the two who originally entered the convention in the first place. The few times this has happened on both sides of the spectrum (democratic or republican) it has always ended with super-delegates and uncommitted delegates voting for the candidate that had the majority of votes anyway. The worse thing about this contest is in fact the fundraising. While Obama continues to receive donation after donation the republican nominee suffers due to time and discontent with the candidate.
Side A Comment
LIBERAL - 3/12/12 @ 11:23 PM:
Current delegate count as of March 12, 2012
Romney-444
Santorum-202
Gingrich-115
Paul-66
What a nightmare for this party. As bull-headed as Gingrich and Paul seem to be this contest may very well end up without a nominee by the start of the convention. How bad is that going to be? Most here seem to go with Santorum, even though the South seems the only likely states he can really win. How does he think he has a chance? Comments please.
Romney-444
Santorum-202
Gingrich-115
Paul-66
What a nightmare for this party. As bull-headed as Gingrich and Paul seem to be this contest may very well end up without a nominee by the start of the convention. How bad is that going to be? Most here seem to go with Santorum, even though the South seems the only likely states he can really win. How does he think he has a chance? Comments please.
The Boss - 3/14/12 @ 7:53 AM:
Rival | Neutral
Aside from lack of time for fundraising I don't see heading to the convention without a candidate as a bad thing. In fact, if I understand it right if we don't have a candidate by convention time then anyone can run; even those who aren't in the race currently.
A couple of big surprise candidates would be:
Chris Christie: Although he's a bit too socially liberal from what I understand. Not too mention he dropped the ball of public opinion with flying the flag half staff for Whitney Houston.
Marco Rubio: Aside from being the absolute ideal politician he's lost a bit of respect from me for his cosponsoring of the senate version of SOPA. He gained a little bit of that respect back after dropping the sponsorship and opposing it but this should have been a no brainer from the get go and has me questioning whether he's been bought and paid for by special interest.
Allen West: I flipping love this guy and would be ecstatic if he decided to challenge the candidates. I typically find that when a black guy is constantly referred to as an Uncle Tom I usually like them a lot as I do with West. Well spoken, highly intelligent, patriot.
In regards to Santorum sticking it out: Of course he believes he has a chance to win because he knows just how many people don't like Romney because he's too damn moderate.
Conventionally delaying fund raising this long is a very bad idea but don't for one second underestimate just how badly a very large number of people in this country want our current president out of office; pocket books will be WIDE open once a candidate is chosen. My two cents.
A couple of big surprise candidates would be:
Chris Christie: Although he's a bit too socially liberal from what I understand. Not too mention he dropped the ball of public opinion with flying the flag half staff for Whitney Houston.
Marco Rubio: Aside from being the absolute ideal politician he's lost a bit of respect from me for his cosponsoring of the senate version of SOPA. He gained a little bit of that respect back after dropping the sponsorship and opposing it but this should have been a no brainer from the get go and has me questioning whether he's been bought and paid for by special interest.
Allen West: I flipping love this guy and would be ecstatic if he decided to challenge the candidates. I typically find that when a black guy is constantly referred to as an Uncle Tom I usually like them a lot as I do with West. Well spoken, highly intelligent, patriot.
In regards to Santorum sticking it out: Of course he believes he has a chance to win because he knows just how many people don't like Romney because he's too damn moderate.
Conventionally delaying fund raising this long is a very bad idea but don't for one second underestimate just how badly a very large number of people in this country want our current president out of office; pocket books will be WIDE open once a candidate is chosen. My two cents.
LIBERAL - 3/17/12 @ 6:33 PM:
Ally | Side A
March 17, 2012
Just updating the count so far. Today is the Missouri county caucuses. Though it looks as if Santorum may win the state it is not clear that he will receive his share of the delegates as they do not make that decision until late April, at which point many delegates may choose to back Romney simply because of his current lead in the Republican nomination. Current list as follows:
Romney: 484
Santorum: 239
Gingrich: 136
Paul: 69
The interesting thin about this count is that despite his lack of delegates thus far Gingrich has recently vowed to stay in the race up to and including attending the convention with the hopes of receiving his party's nomination. No word yet as to whether Paul will go that far.
The current delegate count does not include "super-delegates". Though the majority once again have pledged Romney and Santorum.
Just updating the count so far. Today is the Missouri county caucuses. Though it looks as if Santorum may win the state it is not clear that he will receive his share of the delegates as they do not make that decision until late April, at which point many delegates may choose to back Romney simply because of his current lead in the Republican nomination. Current list as follows:
Romney: 484
Santorum: 239
Gingrich: 136
Paul: 69
The interesting thin about this count is that despite his lack of delegates thus far Gingrich has recently vowed to stay in the race up to and including attending the convention with the hopes of receiving his party's nomination. No word yet as to whether Paul will go that far.
The current delegate count does not include "super-delegates". Though the majority once again have pledged Romney and Santorum.
Side B Comment
big ben - 3/6/12 @ 10:16 PM:
way to go tennessee with santorum. at least we have enough sense to wake up to a progressive when we see one!!
LIBERAL - 3/14/12 @ 12:41 AM:
Rival | Side A
Well, so far it looks as if I judged it just right. With wins in both Mississippi and Alabama Santorum has half the current delegates Romney has. At this rate it truly looks as if the Republican party will approach the convention with no clear leader. Will those who chose Santorum give in and vote for Romney? Just curious if any of you have any comments on the matter. Serious comments please.
Side B Comment
big ben - 3/6/12 @ 9:51 PM:
The bottom line is that the republican party is committing suicide just like they did with dead beat traitor mccain. All you have to do is think back to when Bush had the house and senate and than decided to reach across the isle to shake hands with libs and progressives. The left and right play for the same coach!! The coach is the corporate elite who control the media, the oil, the other energy, the food,and healthcare, and the futures market. is is not funny that all of the items we need to survive are going up in price but tv's are going down? It is so elementary but Americans still like to turn on the tv to corporate news to see what the info babes want you to do and think. Think for yourself damnit! I like santorum more than romney but that is an easy give me. Santorum has a bad voting record but at least he is speaking with common sense. Romney is a progressive scum bag who will give America what it deserves. More spending (obama has spent more money in his first term than the entire history of USA, yes I know bush started bail outs but obama pumped it full of steroids)more wars, more police state, more treason, and more lies. I am just tired of the ignorance. People here are going to get what they deserve. Shame on the loss of morals in this country, shame on the lack of constitutional justice, shame on the lack of freedom, shame on the lack of critical thinking, and shame on you (you being those who are okay with the moral degredation of this country)If you think I am nuts than answer this. Why is congress about to pass the third debt ceiling increase in a year? we are spending at a rate of at least a trillion more than we have a year since obama and the debt is 15 1/2 trillion! you idiots! this is a big damn deal! ron paul is the only candidate who has a solid voting record for only balanced budgets and constitutional law but he is the wack job? sorry just because fox news says he is nuts does not make me a zombie obama fan. the gig is up and the chickens are comming home to roost!rev wright is right in that aspect. Are you ready my friends?
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 9:27 PM:
Rival | Side A
That's okay with me. Choose who you want, but I was asking for people to comment on why they were choosing one candidate over the other. If you have the time I was just curious as to why you chose Santorum.
Side A Comment
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 5:48 PM:
As for MoNkEy,lol. That's your only comment? Nothing close to a real argument or suggestion? Just simple pettiness. Figures.
MoNkEy - 3/6/12 @ 9:07 PM:
Rival | Side B
Well, I didn't want to rain down too hard on your man crush. Anyone with that much affection for a pathetic politician has a screw loose. But, that is not surprising seeing that you are a libdem.
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 9:24 PM:
Ally | Side A
That still wasn't an argument, but nevermind. We differ in our opinions and I feel more passionately about being a faithful constituent. Yes I like Obama and am a firm believer in him and most of his policies. I'm sure you've felt that way about others.
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 9:37 PM:
Ally | Side A
By the way MoNkEy you never did clarify who you were choosing? You only took the time to take a poke at me. So since you actually chose Santorum's side did you have a reason? Seriously. All I want is a serious comment if you have the time.
Neutral Comment
Jeff - 3/5/12 @ 10:43 PM:
I will not be voting for either one nor the one in the office right now.
LIBERAL - 3/5/12 @ 10:53 PM:
Rival | Side A
So you're voting for Gingrich or Paul? Or just no one at all?
The Boss - 3/11/12 @ 12:42 PM:
Ally | Neutral
Are you just not going to vote Jeff? That's actually a good idea for a rivalry. If you consider the potential candidates sub par at best, would you vote for the lesser of two evils or just not vote? I may have to put that on here if it's not already present.
Side A Comment
LIBERAL - 3/5/12 @ 7:33 PM:
Well, while I understand you would prefer to have Ron Paul over these two, I hope he doesn't run as an independent. I feel that might take votes away from Obama. lol. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens after the Republican Convention.
The Boss - 3/5/12 @ 7:39 PM:
Rival | Neutral
From what I understand we might be witnessing something very rare as we approach the convention with no delegate winner. Should make for an interesting political season nonetheless.
That would be my only reservation to voting for Ron Paul as a third party candidate with the outcome likely pulling the votes from the republican and handing the election to Obama.
But I would give it some serious thought.
That would be my only reservation to voting for Ron Paul as a third party candidate with the outcome likely pulling the votes from the republican and handing the election to Obama.
But I would give it some serious thought.
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 5:51 PM:
Ally | Side A
Regardless of Super Tuesday I really hope Romney wins. If not him I would prefer Gingrich. You know why Kaz. :-)
The Boss - 3/6/12 @ 5:56 PM:
Rival | Neutral
Hit me with it? Aside from handing Obama the election I'm guessing there's something else to it.
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 5:59 PM:
Ally | Side A
No. You got it right. Just because I know it would be an easy victory for Obama.
big ben - 3/6/12 @ 10:00 PM:
Rival | Side B
The people like me who are fed up with the fake republican/democratic party will help the libs by taking away votes from romney.(not with pleasure) Obama will do another term if romney wins primary. I am no longer worried about playing the fake right left bs game. I am voting for principle and the constitution. At least i can sleep good at night doing what is morally right for this country and constitution. how soon we forget how many patriots gave their lives for this country and here we are giving the country back to the rothschild brittish tryanny scum ass holes who take pleasure in controlling us scum. wake up people. look at the damn ndaa act which gives the military the right to arrest or kill citizens without trial. you true libs out there, where the $!#& are you speaking out against this *$? you scum???
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 10:27 PM:
Ally | Side A
Ben I always vote my conscience. I vote for who I believe in. I don't believe in any of the Republicans anyway. Maybe some of Ron Paul's policies, but not enough of them to make me vote for him. I served this country. Proudly, and would do it again given the chance. My vote will absolutely go to Barack Obama.
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 10:35 PM:
Ally | Side A
Ben, I don't wish to get into an argument that takes away from the actual rivalry. If you have a beef with the AUMF section of the NDAA act then you have President Bush to thank for that. The NDAA was where Congress simply "affirmed" the powers of the President to indefinitely detain prisoners. It was not started by President Obama, but by President Bush. If you wish to discuss this further I would suggest you start a different rivalry. I would like to just stay on target between Romney vs. Santorum.
Neutral Comment
The Boss - 3/5/12 @ 5:50 PM:
Considering the two candidates listed I'm basically forced to choose between an establishment moderate or an establishment conservative of convenience.
The main stream media (Especially Fox News) has been selling the Romney campaign to the public from day one. As a Ron Paul supporter I have been disgusted with the lack of respect Ron Paul has received from all of the media and Fox's coverage has actually pushed me away from watching the network. I actually at one point maintained a certain package with Dish Network to keep the Fox News Channel and have since gone with the cheaper package that does not include the channel.
As far as why I will not be voting for Romney; RomneyCare alone is more than enough of a reason to not take Mitt seriously. Once you consider this guy is a repackaged John McCain and yet another loss to Obama it's pretty much a no brainer from there.
There's a lot to like about Santorum; his sweater vests as an example but this guy has several things I do not like. To list a couple, he has the same pro war attitude Bush and Obama have, he is so socially conservative that he actually believes the plan b pill is an abortion, I didn't like his attitude in several of the debates, and finally because he stands no chance of beating Obama. In regards the plan b pill that's not to say I believe in abortion, in fact I believe abortion after the heart has starting beating is murder but plan b is a preventative not an abortion and I get sick of the likes of Bachmann and Santorum claiming otherwise.
Beyond the primary if faced with any of the candidates listed versus Obama hands down I will vote to get our current president out of office as I wholeheartedly disagree with roughly 80% of what the man has done and fear what else he will do with a second term where he isn't running for reelection.
The main stream media (Especially Fox News) has been selling the Romney campaign to the public from day one. As a Ron Paul supporter I have been disgusted with the lack of respect Ron Paul has received from all of the media and Fox's coverage has actually pushed me away from watching the network. I actually at one point maintained a certain package with Dish Network to keep the Fox News Channel and have since gone with the cheaper package that does not include the channel.
As far as why I will not be voting for Romney; RomneyCare alone is more than enough of a reason to not take Mitt seriously. Once you consider this guy is a repackaged John McCain and yet another loss to Obama it's pretty much a no brainer from there.
There's a lot to like about Santorum; his sweater vests as an example but this guy has several things I do not like. To list a couple, he has the same pro war attitude Bush and Obama have, he is so socially conservative that he actually believes the plan b pill is an abortion, I didn't like his attitude in several of the debates, and finally because he stands no chance of beating Obama. In regards the plan b pill that's not to say I believe in abortion, in fact I believe abortion after the heart has starting beating is murder but plan b is a preventative not an abortion and I get sick of the likes of Bachmann and Santorum claiming otherwise.
Beyond the primary if faced with any of the candidates listed versus Obama hands down I will vote to get our current president out of office as I wholeheartedly disagree with roughly 80% of what the man has done and fear what else he will do with a second term where he isn't running for reelection.
LIBERAL - 3/5/12 @ 6:56 PM:
Rival | Side A
So Kaz, if it comes down to Romney vs. Obama you will vote for Romney. I know this. You don't even have to tell me. :-) Seriously though, you would choose someone like Santorum over Romney? I just don't understand that. As backward as Santorum's line of thinking is and most likely will be? I understand that Romney appears to be more moderate than some would like, but he also seems to be more reasonable for a Republican. Not to mention that every poll has Santorum trailing way behind in every mock election vs. Obama. Romney, for the moment, appears to be the only Republican with the slightest chance of beating Obama. What are your thoughts?
The Boss - 3/5/12 @ 7:18 PM:
Ally | Neutral
Your assumption is right assuming Ron Paul doesn't run as a third party candidate.
I don't particularly like Santorum but I do like him slightly more than Romney. I see Romney as a FAKE say what's right politician.
The latest rasmussen polls have Ron Paul within a statistical tie of Obama. link to source
I don't particularly like Santorum but I do like him slightly more than Romney. I see Romney as a FAKE say what's right politician.
The latest rasmussen polls have Ron Paul within a statistical tie of Obama. link to source
Side B Comment
TNinfidel - 3/5/12 @ 3:25 PM:
While I am atheist, I will still have to support Santorum. I do not consider him even nearly an ideal candidate but I think he would be more likely to uphold the Constitution.
Romney is a "Progressive" and has even publicly stated so. "Progressives" are traitors and should be removed from this country. You just don't let your enemies have free run of a nation. I won't stand by and watch them dismantle my country.
If Obama is re-elected there will be civil war. Patriots will simply not stand for the "Progressive" erosion of our liberties anymore.
Romney is a "Progressive" and has even publicly stated so. "Progressives" are traitors and should be removed from this country. You just don't let your enemies have free run of a nation. I won't stand by and watch them dismantle my country.
If Obama is re-elected there will be civil war. Patriots will simply not stand for the "Progressive" erosion of our liberties anymore.
LIBERAL - 3/5/12 @ 6:41 PM:
Rival | Side A
Just out of curiousity TNinfidel how do you feel about Santorum's voting for the Patriot Act and later modification of the Patriot Act? As an atheist his religious views don't bother you that much? If you don't mind elaborating on these I would be most appreciative. Just collecting thoughts.
TNinfidel - 3/5/12 @ 10:32 PM:
Ally | Side B
Most people are religious and as long as they are not forcing their religion on me I am fine with that. I am not absolutely set on Santorum but he is far better than "progressive" Romney. I do not see Santorum imposing his religion on me.
I have a problem with many of the 4th Amendment violations of the Patriot Act. Some of its provisions made sense but I am never for the expansion of the Federal government. If there is something can be abused government will be sure to do it almost every time. I can halfway understand why Santorum voted for the Patriot Act although I may not completely agree with it.
I just really wish I had a better choice period.
I have a problem with many of the 4th Amendment violations of the Patriot Act. Some of its provisions made sense but I am never for the expansion of the Federal government. If there is something can be abused government will be sure to do it almost every time. I can halfway understand why Santorum voted for the Patriot Act although I may not completely agree with it.
I just really wish I had a better choice period.
LIBERAL - 3/5/12 @ 10:59 PM:
Rival | Side A
I meant to say something earlier about your last comments on this particular reply about Obama. While I appreciate your right to choose someone else other than Obama the simple fact is that he has done a decent job so far. I like him very much and will continue to support him in the coming years. I'm very proud to call him my American President.
TNinfidel - 3/6/12 @ 12:32 AM:
Ally | Side B
You should move to Europe Rick or perhaps communist China. I think you would be far happier there. There is no room here in the US for statists.
MoNkEy - 3/6/12 @ 1:03 AM:
Ally | Side B
Whoa, I think I threw up a little in my mouth with what Ricky said there. Why don't you just go give your sweetheart Obammy a knob polishing. LOL
LIBERAL - 3/6/12 @ 5:38 PM:
Rival | Side A
That's the great thing about living in America. I can choose what I want to do. I believe I'll stay here with many other like-minded people such as myself. Perhaps you should move since you seem so dissatisfied. I'm quite happy with the way things are going. LOL.
Side A Comment
LIBERAL - 3/4/12 @ 12:45 AM:
I have to say that this particular race just thrills me no matter which one wins their party's nomination. Each disturbs me deeply, but they also reaffirm my belief that Obama will be our President for another four years. Santorum is just too right-wing. He may put up a good fight, but it's Romney's moderate beliefs that will win him this nomination. On the flip-side it is also his inability to connect with every day normal "Joes" that will ultimately lose him the Presidency. What Republicans needed this election was a moderate candidate that could connect with both his base as well as those who were either undecided or democrats dissatisfied with Obama's performance. Unfortunately neither Romney nor Santorum are able to do so. Tell me what you think. If you have any predictions yourself then let me know.
The Boss - 3/5/12 @ 5:53 AM:
Rival | Neutral
Sorry Rick, I was outside all day erecting a massive 22 ft cell phone tower and didn't have any time to get on the computer. I will not be voting for either of these candidates and when I get home from work I'll elaborate much further.
Sarah Forester - 3/5/12 @ 11:11 AM:
Rival | Neutral
I agree with Rick completely. I don't even want to vote, but not voting is worse than voting for any of the morons we have to choose from. =)
