Politics

I know, as normal I tend to procrastinate but there is now a scroll down feature. I may need to tweak it a bit but do let me know if it works on your end.

You use your government thugs to enforce control. Waco and Ruby ridge come to mind as examples.

I'm not scared lynx55. Why would I be scared when I'm well armed?

I'm not sure what you are referring to with the trucks, corvette and guns quip. Do i sense a little jealously? LOL

I just realized it is annoying as hell to have to scroll down to the bottom of the rivalry to add a comment. Look for a scroll to bottom link or an automated function to alleviate this annoyance soon.

LOL, you are sad and naive.

Let me fix that for you:

Progressives assert the role of government for control, rather than personal freedom and liberty

Redneck libertarian? LOL I'm not threatening you. I'm promising you this is coming.

You say Progressives stand for human rights but at the same time they work to remove the ability to defend one's self.

Economic fairness? You mean wealth redistribution I'm sure.

Political freedoms? Yea, as long as you are a Progressive.

No, Progressives stand for control; the micro management of all aspects of life. Taking away peoples right of self determination. You are much like the Communists. Maybe just Communism lite.

You are a cancer that eats away at the foundation of this country. I'd be worried about the bad karma progressives possess from eroding peoples freedoms since the early 20th century. Paraphrasing what one of your minions once said, "Your chickens are coming home to roost".

I couldn't help but notice you spoke of an individuals karma but make no mention of individual freedom.

Economic fairness or as it's being sold "Social Justice" CANNOT coexist with personal freedom and liberty but judging by your careful use of "Political Freedoms" I don't see that as being a problem with you.

Oh yea, McCarthy was right.

Well then lynx55, I have two words for you: GET OUT. That is, get out of the United States. You are in the wrong country. You are a traitor; a seditionist. Move to a country where you fascist statist are welcome. China would be an excellent choice. You are not welcome here.

Yep, there is no debate. Progressives are un-American and enemies of freedom and liberty. Seriously, leave while you can.

This reminds me of the radio spots for netflix.

Let me guess, the answer is "MORE GOVERNMENT".

You know that's the answer to everything. ;)

Actually lynx55, I'm a Libertarian. You'd Probably consider me a little conservative leaning since I am a big fan of the US Constitution .

I am actually referring to Progressivism in this post. Today the two terms are interchangeable as you will find that most Liberals are Progressives. That is not to say all are. However, if you believe "More Government" is the answer, you are a Progressive and therefore, you are part of the problem.

Just because I'm disappointed in someone does not mean they are wrong, or even that they are wrong in my eyes. What it means is that I expected her to be level headed as she normally is. You and I for example disagree on Obama, but does it make either of us right or wrong? No, not necessarily. It simply means we have different views. Like I've said before I never once said that she was wrong. Neither did I imply it. It's really that simple.

Allow me to clarify something just so you don’t jump to another conclusion. I have never said that this current administration does not possess arrogance to a certain degree, because I know that it does. You don’t assume the highest office in the land without acquiring some degree of arrogance, but some have taken it to an altogether different level. It’s one thing to pass a bill through Congress and actually have a majority with which to do it. It’s an entirely different form of arrogance to circumvent the Powers of Congress and start a war without the approval of the one body of legislation who actually had the power to do so in the first place.

I am not perfect. I make mistakes. Maybe I’ve made one with Obama. I don’t know yet, but I’m willing to give him the chance. If I’m not satisfied by 2012 then he most likely will not have my vote. Only time will tell.

Believe it or not there was a lot of things (The more I learn) that I like about Tricky #%@$ but unless I'm mistaken you despise the Clinton's; so why are you quoting their credits? I'm not sure.

All right Kaz. At what point during any of my statements did I say the Wikipedia page was an absolute bearer of the truth? Did I ever say that it exemplified every ideology I represent? Have I ever stated that Wikipedia is the be all end all of all necessary and worldwide information gathering? NO, I DID NOT. I simply suggested to several of you to read it, as I believe the particular definition in question was more in line with what liberalism actually means instead of the concocted belief most people have. Is it entirely accurate? NO, and I never said it was. Once again you, Mama Kaz, and TNinfidel have decided to make up your own minds as to what a liberal really feels instead of actually asking someone. In other words, you don't know me! You'd like to think in all of your infinite wisdom that somehow you have gained a better understanding of other political ideologies, and yet with every statement you make it sends a very clear signal that you DON'T! You don't have the slightest clue, and you simply lump every democrat into the liberal column because it's the easy thing to do. That’s just irresponsible and ignorant of someone who claims to be the least bit intelligent!

While I believe such programs as the Welfare program are far too enabling I believe a fair amount of compassion is certainly due, and when used moderately can work wonders for some. I will not presume to say that any political party is without compassion because I know better. Yet you seem to have no problem once again with stating that most liberals are too compassionate. The only ignorance being displayed is that by you for assuming you know the traits of the majority of liberals in this country when you clearly do not. Name one liberal you have ever spoken to or seen that has displayed too much compassion in any given situation. Name one liberal that you have honestly ever had a conversation with that has led you to this assumption. You and I have never spoken of this matter. We have never spoken once of these “traits”, and whether or not you believed I was far too compassionate. I have never made mention of such a thing, so please tell me what proof you have that the majority of liberals in this country are far too compassionate. The answer is none. It is an assumption you have made based upon loose terms and personal political beliefs. Does that make you wrong? No, but it does make your presumptuous and ill informed. So if either of us are the sheep grazing on the range I simply have one thing to say. You missed a spot!

Rick,
I never claimed it to be a fact. Never. It is 100% my personal opinion which is what I was offering. I was not insinuating that you were too compassionate. I don't know of a situation to date to where I could claim that. Again, this rivalry is a silly one; with that being said an opinion is what I offered.

Forgot to give you an example of too much compassion:

The ongoing extensions to unemployment. Members of both parties are to blame. Now I will say that political leaders are likely motivated by re-election more than compassion but those average people who support this are definitely blinded by compassion.

Extended unemployment may seem like a great thing to do but it enables a large number of people to put off or discontinue looking for work. We'll have to do a rivalry on this so we can discuss it in more detail.

Honestly Rick, you are describing yourself as a libertarian not a liberal. Perhaps you are confused and have been relying on Wiki a bit too much. It is not a credible source as it can be manipulated to reflect agendas.

Well, congratulations for being one of the few who apparently had enough insight to actually read the page for a better understanding. As I’ve stated before it is not the basis for my entire belief, but it certainly is more in line with them. Quite frankly it doesn’t matter who wrote the definition. Does it matter who wrote the King James version of the Holy Bible? No, plenty of people seem to be able to take away their own beliefs from every reading. I’ve known people who read the very same passages of the bible I have and have had a very different interpretations than myself. Does that make either of us wrong or right? Not necessarily. So stop lumping people into a category simply because it makes it easier for you to understand. As an educated adult you should not be so naïve or allow yourself to make such a contrived effort.

And I stand by my statements to Cutie122403. I have every right to feel the way I feel about her decision to choose the side that states “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”. Did I once say she was wrong for choosing that side? NO, I DID NOT. I did state that I was disappointed that she did. As usual you have tried putting words into my mouth that were never spoken (typed). That is such an irritating trait. If you are going to argue with me about former statements then please make certain that I have actually made them, and that once again you are not making another incorrect assumption. The truth of the matter is Mama Kaz that you feel threatened by my political beliefs, ideologies, and overall intelligence. So you simply attack what you don’t truly comprehend instead of making the conscious effort to understand what makes the other side tick. I am very opinionated and as you can see I will not allow you to “speak” for the other side when you clearly don’t understand the other side. Especially when your ideas of what a liberal truly represents are so far from reality it begs the question “Are you just making this up as you go along?” And I reserve the right to do so because I am to an extent “the other side”.

You have no right to call me a hypocrite. I believe in freedom of speech. I never once said that Cutie had no right to choose that side. She has every right as I have every right to disagree. That is THE definition of freedom of speech. If you want to talk “hypocrisy” try this on for size. You claim that this administration is full of arrogance. Let us not play ignorant to the fact that we both know that you voted for Bush as President. This is the man who blatantly invaded a country they claimed had weapons of mass destruction, and when the time came to produce this evidence, they had none. NONE. Years later he admitted that the decision to go to war with Iraq was one he made simply to remove Saddam Hussein from power and because he could. He didn’t have to answer to anyone. He could do whatever he wanted because he had Executive power on his side. You want to talk about an administration who displays utter arrogance? There you go. You can call me a hypocrite all you want, but we both know nothing I said was hypocritical. For you to make a statement that the current administration is arrogant, but to have voted twice for a man who showed nothing his entire administration but complete arrogance and disdain for anyone who opposed his decisions is nothing short of hypocrisy! And that DOES make YOU a HYPOCRITE!

All right I have had enough of your ill-conceived and quite frankly ill informed ideas of what liberals actually stand for in this country. I even posted how to look up the actual definition of liberalism for which I can only assume from your previous comments you simply ignored the opportunity. As a true liberal I stand for many things. I stand for the beliefs set down by our own American constitution. I stand for freedom, freedom of an overreaching government, free speech, freedom from religion, and yes even the right to keep and bear arms. If any of you had taken the time to read the article on the Wikipedia page I had suggested you read, you would know this. Instead you have made up your own ideas of what a liberal stands for. Let me be the first to tell you, you are WRONG!! And Mama Kaz, you are guilty as well. You lump people like Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank into the party of my ideology and it is simply irresponsible of you to do so. Pelosi and Frank both believe that government somehow has the answers to everything. That is NOT, I repeat NOT what a liberal believes. We believe in limited government. Let’s take two examples of current government overreach in the last decade. The Health Care Reform Act and the Patriot Act. I am using these two laws simply because they were both enacted by Presidents who were either Republican or Democrat.

Do I like the fact that either one was enacted? NO, I do not. Both bills, now laws, represent everything for which I do not stand for. Both are the truest forms of government overreach that I simply do not believe in. Now I know that you may have assumed I wanted or thought the Health Care Reform bill was a good thing due to our previous discussions on Jealousbrother.com, but you are sorely mistaken. Although I believe in health care for all Americans, and though I believe in the principles of some of the new law’s platforms, I do not believe in forcing any American to purchase something for which they do not want to buy. By that same accord I believe in keeping Americans safe from the threat of terrorism, but does that mean I believe it is okay to detain American citizens without due process of law, or allowing law enforcement to search my home without so much as a search warrant? NO, I do not. I do not like either, though I do understand the ideals behind them, both are far too overreaching in my opinion and should never have been passed into law. Yes, I just said that I do not believe the Health Care Reform Bill should never have been passed, but not for the reason you believe. Not because I believe it is too expensive, or that it won’t do anyone any good, but because it is in my opinion unconstitutional. You cannot by law force me to purchase a good for which I have no desire to purchase. Our system is broken. Obama simply was doing what he thought was right for the American people, and though it might do some good, the fact of the matter is that this piece of legislation will end up doing more harm than good. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” I know that he means well, just as Bush meant well with the Patriot Act, but both are wrong. They are both responsible now for violating laws and rights set down by our forefathers. Both laws are unconstitutional and I would like to see both repealed. Both Obama and Bush have managed to strip away at our rights and allowing this to continue only paves the way for future rights to be removed.

Now, Mama Kaz I will take issue with your hypocritical statements. You claim that liberals have an air of superiority and look down upon those with whom they disagree. You are wrong. I do not look down upon those with whom I disagree. As a liberal I believe in the Constitution and everything it represents. Which means I also believe in freedom of speech. Because I do believe in freedom of speech I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinions, but where I draw the line are those who base their opinions on unfounded truths, lies, stereotypes, and innuendos. Name calling, “my way or the highway” attitudes, and arrogance have been displayed by both sides. So please don’t insinuate that either party is exempt from these types of behaviors or exemplify how a party should behave, because they are both equally guilty in this matter. If you mistake my abhorrence for ill informed individuals as arrogance or “an air of superiority”, then that is your fault for assuming. Incorrectly I might add. I do not mind when others disagree with me, but at the very least, be well informed and know that what you speak is based on fact or truth if you intend to do so.

The truth is I love to debate. Which by its design means I love to debate either side of the issue and frequently choose both sides simply to see how the other side feels. I believe this allows me to “understand” how my opponents really feel, and gives me insight that otherwise I would not be privy to. So just because I may choose a certain side does not particularly mean that is my “true” stance. It simply means that I am choosing to debate from that corner. If you really want to know how I feel about a certain matter all you need do is remember that I am a true liberal or simply just ask me. If you intend to debate me then I suggest you read up on your material, because chances are I already have.
Now to cutie122403. Really? You honestly believe that liberalism is a mental disorder? I can honestly say that truly disappoints me. I can understand that you may not agree with certain point-of-views with a liberal, but to say that they suffer from mental issues simply because you disagree with their ideologies? I expected something like this from someone named Tninfidel, but really? You? Even Mama Kaz acknowledged that even though she doesn’t agree with certain liberalist views that it is not a mental disorder. I just expected better from you I suppose.

In closing once again I would like to suggest to those of you who clearly have not taken the time to read the Wikipedia definition of liberalism, or any other definitive material to do so. Perhaps you will gain a little more understanding of the true ideologies of a liberal rather than assuming you already know. To my knowledge reading has never hurt anyone. So please, just take the chance. You might be surprised.

Although I feel that you are on the right side of this rivalry, I think you just exhibited some of the things you accused Liberals of being. I wouldn't want to get into name calling back and forth because that will lead to nothing productive.

I'm not sure if I'm taking this rivalry the right way, but I'm more inclined to think someone who would even ask this question has a mental illness. At some time or another, everyone is right, wrong or stupid.