Ignorance is Easier to Tolerate

Rivalry Side A | Other | Living

Arrogance is Easier to Tolerate

Rivalry Side B | Other | Living

We all have unique character traits with some being positive and others not so much but when it comes to other people, are more tolerant of people who are exceedingly arrogant or overwhelmingly Ignorant?

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Posted by in Other / Living on 6/09/10
Debate Leaders
  1. mama kaz (5 votes) Validated Ego
  1. Jeff (1 votes)
  1. Dennis Plucinik (1 votes)
  1. The Boss (1 votes)

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Side A Comment

ksawyer - 6/16/10 @ 3:33 PM:
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Oh, that's wonderful news! Congratulations!!!!!!! Children are truly a blessing so enjoy every moment. Again, congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side A Comment

ksawyer - 6/16/10 @ 2:58 PM:
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Hey Ryan, Long time no comment, right?!I've been so busy with our baby girl, but now she's getting older and I can get back to blogging!

So, I would take ignorance over arrogance anytime! I agree with Mama Kaz that sometimes people just don't know any better and if you can help enlighten them, by all means do so! Sometimes arrogance can rub people the wrong way, so if you're arrogant and trying to teach something, the person won't receive it due to them not being able to get past the arrogance. Does that make sense? Anyway good rivalry!
The Boss - 6/16/10 @ 3:15 PM: Ally | Side A
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Hey Kim. Great to hear from you. I hope everything is going good for you, Tom, and your baby girl.

We just found out about 10 weeks ago that we will be having our first child. Keep your fingers crossed for a baby girl. Crystal's 14 weeks along and we got to see our baby move around her womb last week. What a miracle that way.

Anyway, great to hear from you and I've been checking in on 7daybuzz weekly to see if there is any new posts. Glad to hear you'll be getting back into it. Talk to you soon.
The Boss - 6/16/10 @ 3:17 PM: Ally | Side A
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BTW, I agree completely. Arrogance absolutely gets in the way of teaching anyone anything. I personally am far more receptive to people who talk to me as an equal.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 9:39 AM:
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Indeed. Thank you.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 9:12 AM:
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While I agree it may be a little presumptuous of me to assume that this particular rivalry is in any way connected to me one must admit the timing of the rivalry itself is very suspicious. Counter that with the fact that many of you have recently labeled me arrogant is even more suspicious. I have never DEMANDED anything from you. I never said you MUST tell me anything. I asked politely of you to answer the question for which you seemingly wish to withhold. That in itself is even more suspicious. If I am in fact wrong, then tell me I am wrong, that my supposed "arrogance" played absolutely no part in the creation of this rivalry and I will not comment on it again. I just do not understand why you are avoiding answering this one simple question. I have not meant to upset you or anyone else, but as I have said before I am simply seeking the truth. You may offer it or not. I thought for certain that you of all people would be level-headed about this and offer up a little truth. All I ask is that you show me the same respect I've always been willing to show you. I apologize if I have upset you or anyone else, and will be glad to "return" to the topic at hand if you can just show me a little honesty. This is just a request. Not a demand.
The Boss - 6/13/10 @ 9:37 AM: Rival | Side A
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This really needs to be put to rest as it's occupying too much of my time and comment space on this rivalry.

As with all rivalries I post on the site they are derived from a multitude of sources; memories, something I heard on the radio, interaction, a simple thought, and so on.

It would be a bold faced lie to say that my interaction with you didn't play at least some role in the thought process of this rivalry but I can tell it's not the primary source. This rivalry was not started as a stab at Rick; if I wanted to do that I would have specified your name in the title. This is a legitimate and very good question considering the things going on in our world today. What are you more tolerable of?

I deal with arrogance and ignorance every day of my life; with me being the culprit at times. The bottom line is that this rivalry isn't about you. While my interaction with you may have been one small part to deriving the idea for this rivalry it's not the premise of this rivalry.

Okay, as you agreed. Let's stay on topic.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 8:36 AM:
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Mr. Kazinec I have always told you the truth. I have always been willing to explain myself and my beliefs. Your comment seems a little tyrannical and yes, a little arrogant. Are you so important, and better than me that you do not have to answer to anyone? This is the very heart of the matter for which we are discussing Mr. Kazinec. In fact it seems more relevant than anything that has been stated or posted so far. It is the prime example of arrogance vs. ignorance if ever the argument was to be made. So again, why do you feel as though you cannot answer the question?
LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 8:37 AM: Ally | Side B
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I am not angry about this. I would just like a simple answer. I hope you are not upset with me. I would just like the truth.
The Boss - 6/13/10 @ 8:58 AM: Rival | Side A
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I am a owner/administrator of this website and with that comes some responsibilities. Such as not letting the websites discussions drift away from the topic. Surely you've been on a online forum where administrators keep things on topic.

Also, it is my responsibility to give JealousBrother users the power to control their involvement on the site which I have failed miserably on. I will be correcting this ASAP.

The arrogance isn't with me refusing to answer your irrelevant question Rick. It's in your thinking you are in a position to demand it and the presumption you have on the answer to it.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 8:21 AM:
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Mr. Kazinec, you did not answer my question. In fact you all but refused to answer it. Is it because I am correct in my assumption? Why is it so hard to admit? Can the truth not be told? Is is really that hard to say? I'm truly just asking a question. All I ask is that you be forthright and honest with me. There is no reason to be upset or to make threats. Let's be adults about this.
The Boss - 6/13/10 @ 8:28 AM: Rival | Side A
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It is irrelevant and you are owed no explanation for anything I do.

Stay on topic.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/13/10 @ 8:12 AM:
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Thank you Dennis. I appreciate your comments. I do not believe I am arrogant. I do however have a firm belief in what I believe is right or wrong. As an American citizen I was under the presumption that I had the right to do so. Now I know that sometimes my comments have been laced with sarcasm that for one reason or another some of you have taken far too personally, but it is simply my brand of humor. So many of you have mistook this for arrogance. Perhaps because it may come across as a little overbearing, but that is because I have an overbearing personality. I do not pretend as though I do not know I am overbearing, but I also know that when I am wrong I must admit it. It is how we learn. It is how we understand. I am human. I make mistakes just like everyone else, but I am willing to admit when I am wrong. It is actually amusing to me that so many of you have considered me arrogant when the majority of you cannot either admit you may in fact be wrong or that you might possibly have been wrong. Here is just one example. This is not meant to shun anyone or to belittle them. This is simply just what I have observed recently. The subject is the rivalry “Obama is a U.S. citizen vs. Obama is not a U.S. citizen”. Several of you had already chosen your sides by the time I joined the side “Obama is a U.S. citizen”. I had already seen the birth certificate online several times, but knew that none of you would believe me even if I had posted it, then something strange happened. Mr. Kazinec posted his (Obama’s) birth certificate. Thank you Mr. Kazinec, but that was not the strange thing that had happened. What was so strange was not that the creator of this rivalry admitted Obama is a U.S. citizen, but that mama kaz neither admitted she was wrong about her assumption that he was not a U.S. citizen or removed herself from that side of the rivalry. Here is something else to consider. Does anyone know what the definition of arrogance is? Quite frankly I had to look it up just to be certain, though I had a pretty good idea. Here is the Merriam-Webster’s definition. Arrogance-an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions. So one could argue that as she assumed Mr. Obama was not a U.S. citizen, and even presumed that no one could offer any proof that he was, or even admit that her assumption was incorrect when provided proof that he in fact is a citizen of the United States that perhaps her attitude may have been a little… …arrogant. Truth be told none of us are perfect. I know I’m not, but I have my beliefs. I am confident of those beliefs. I will not back down, and neither will I apologize for my beliefs. This is America. Where being a true American means being able to acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil whose standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You may not like my ideas or my beliefs, but they are mine, and I have every right to defend them. Sometimes I may be a little zealous in my defense, perhaps a little sarcastic, but I truly never intended to hurt anyone’s feelings. Clearly I did or else none of you would have resorted to name-calling. I apologize, but understand that this will in no way affect my future postings. I am very opinionated and often make use of sarcastic remarks in order to get a point across with a little humor on the side. So if you read my postings then you know what to expect. Don’t expect arrogance, but by all means do expect confidence. Now that, I have plenty to go around.
The Boss - 6/13/10 @ 8:17 AM: Rival | Side A
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Consider this your final warning to stay on topic.

Dictionary.com-

Arrogance:
–noun
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Side B Comment

LIBERAL - 6/12/10 @ 10:57 PM:
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of the question I had asked. I believe we can discuss this like adults, but let us all behave like adults and stop pretending why this rivalry was created in the first place. A straight answer is all I asked for. I apologize for the broken replies, but my computer is touch screen. A bug landed on the screen. When I attempted to shoo him away he landed on the "submit comment" button. I guess it's a little sensitive.
The Boss - 6/13/10 @ 8:15 AM: Rival | Side A
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If the motivating source for ANY rivalry on the websites isn't listed within the rivalries description, title, or in an immediately following comment it is NOT relevant.

You have hijacked this rivalry and made it about yourself. I strongly suggest you get back on topic or I will be forced to remove any unrelated comments that follow so the others on the site can debate the topic at hand and the topic is not Rick. It is ignorance is easier to tolerate vs arrogance is easier to tolerate.

Side A Comment

mama kaz - 6/12/10 @ 8:29 PM: Validated Ego
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Arrogance and ignorance are a daily topic around our house because of the way our government is carrying on and the ignorance of so many people in the country who don't bother to educate themselves about anything. You shouldn't assume everyone is talking about you because there are a long line of arrogant and ignorant people who fit into this rivalry. We all do sometimes. It's a good question and we should all be able to discuss it like adults.
LIBERAL - 6/12/10 @ 10:54 PM: Rival | Side B
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mama kaz I appreciate your input, but you are not the Kaz I was referring to. I don't assume that everyone is always talking about me, but I know very well that this particular rivalry was brought up because of our recent activity. I know it. You know it. cutie knows it, and so does the Kaz (Mr. Kazinec) I was actually asking the question. I would appreciate his answering

Side A Comment

mama kaz - 6/12/10 @ 5:11 PM: Validated Ego
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Rick, you need to take your own advice and don't take everything so personally. We all know people who are arrogant and/or stupid. My comments on this rivalry were not directed at any one in particular and I don't see any reason to think other peoples comments were personal either. We're all just giving our opinions on the subject!
LIBERAL - 6/12/10 @ 6:57 PM: Rival | Side B
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I've not taken it personally mama kaz. If I had my mood would be one of anger, but it is not. You yourself admitted that you had recently discussed my posts, and let's not pretend that one or more of you probably described me as "arrogant". So let's not all pretend as though we don't know that this was not posted because of those discussions. cutie acts like she doesn't know that it was. You at first denied it had nothing to do with our discussions. So I will put this to rest with one question. Kaz, I know you will eventually read this. As you are the one who posted this particular rivalry, all I need is an answer to one question. Did you or did you not post this rivalry as a result of yours and others discussions or beliefs about my "arrogance"? I expect nothing but candid honesty from you. So just tell me the truth.

Side A Comment

cutie122403 - 6/12/10 @ 12:30 PM:
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Can't stand either of them but I can take ignorance over arrogance any day
LIBERAL - 6/12/10 @ 1:39 PM: Rival | Side B
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Well, it seems with your former comments that someone else knows how to use sarcasm quite well. Wouldn't you say? Congratulations! How very astute of you. I have explained myself several times and offer no apology for my frankness. If you do not like what I have to say then stop reading my posts. No one is forcing you to read anything. As I've stated above if you insist on reading my posts and then replying, don't expect to like what I have to say in return. It's really that simple.

Side A Comment

Jeff - 6/10/10 @ 9:12 PM:
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Arrogance to me is Stupidity because it means your too dumb to admit your wrong.
LIBERAL - 6/11/10 @ 1:45 AM: Rival | Side B
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Arrogance is not stupidity as long as the person is humble enough to admit when they are wrong, and I personally have always been able to admit when I am in fact wrong. You would have to know me in order to know that. So just so you know Jeff not all people who are a little vain and/or arrogant are unable to admit when they are wrong. That is an unfair judgment and stereotype. Most are just simply confident of their feelings, knowledge, etc.
Dennis Plucinik - 6/13/10 @ 2:02 AM: Ally | Side A
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@Rick Re: "Arrogance is not stupidity as long as the person is humble enough to admit when they are wrong."

Arrogance is the antithesis of humility so if you can admit that you're wrong in making that statement then you may claim that you are in fact not arrogant.

Ref: http://www.synonym.com/antonym/arrogant/

Side A Comment

mama kaz - 6/10/10 @ 7:27 PM: Validated Ego
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Actually a lot of people have been discussing your posts lately. You have a lot of valid things to say and we can all learn from you, but the way you say it is often insulting and condescending. I enjoy reading what you have to say but could do without the insults. I hope you do keep posting because I like hearing different views on all the rivalries.
LIBERAL - 6/11/10 @ 1:42 AM: Rival | Side B
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I'm very glad to hear that. I will keep posting, but you guys will have to forgive my sarcasm and not take it so personally. That is my sense of humor. It always has been. It's not meant to be mean or belittling of anyone. It's just how I express humor sometimes.

Side A Comment

mama kaz - 6/10/10 @ 5:01 PM: Validated Ego
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You need to stop making this personal because it's getting ridiculous. I wasn't talking about you so simmer down. I was simply offering my opinion about the rivalry. Fan club? Grow up.
LIBERAL - 6/10/10 @ 5:55 PM: Rival | Side B
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I did not make this personal mama kaz. You and several others here did. Don't feign ignorance that this particular rivalry was not created because several of you think I am arrogant. Kaz posted this more than likely because you two have probably discussed it. I may have considered you many things before, but let me assure you that stupid was not one of them. So don't act as if this rivalry has not been a direct result of ours and their former discussions. You know very well it is, and I don't need a confirmation to know it. I'm quite frankly tired of your immaturity, but I am willing to over look it and let that be that. I will continue to post as I have always posted so if you insist on reading my arguments, and then posting back, then don't be surprised if you don't like what I have to say. I guarantee it will never be meant to be rude or to belittle, but you know very well I use sarcasm quite a lot. So if sarcasm offends you then simply ignore my posts.

Side A Comment

mama kaz - 6/9/10 @ 11:32 AM: Validated Ego
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Ignorance is easier for me to tolerate because these people just don't know any better. Arrogance makes it difficult to keep a dialogue going because it can't coexist with an open mind. People who are ignorant are usually that way because they don't think for themselves and don't bother to research anything that's going on in the world around them. It doesn't mean they are stupid or close minded, just uninformed.
LIBERAL - 6/9/10 @ 3:48 PM: Rival | Side B
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Nothing in your former statement makes any sense. Not to mention the fact that it contradicts every thing you've ever said about me, who you love to call arrogant all the time. In previous arguments you have stated that I am arrogant. In addition I have been told by you and your little fan club that perhaps I am too open minded. So which is it? Would it be possible for you to get your story straight at some point?

I can not and will not abide by ignorance of any kind. Whereas my supposed arrogance is what most would consider to be a personality trait formed not by choice, but instead by years of interaction with others, ignorance is unfortunately a choice. I can no more change how I interact with others than I can the beating of my own heart. I can however choose not to be ignorant of a certain subject or circumstance. One can always choose to read or understand something they never really understood before. If one chooses to be ignorant of something then that is their own fault, and I refuse to feel sorry for that person, or grant them any kind of leeway for the dumb decisions they may make in their life. I could more easily tolerate someone who is genuinely stupid than someone who is ignorant. At least someone who is stupid has an excuse for not understanding a particular subject or idea. It is simply beyond their comprehension despite their attempt to understand it, while those who are ignorant are so simply because they are too lazy to try to understand. When you have the ability to understand, but yet you do not try, then you are nothing more than a complete waste of time, air, and space. Arrogance is amusing. Stupidity is forgivable. Ignorance is intolerable.
cutie122403 - 6/12/10 @ 12:33 PM: Ally | Side A
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Wow Mama Kaz I am completely confused. I read your comment and did not see anywhere where you were talking about Rick. As for the fan club, I had NO idea you had one!
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