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Which one makes more comments that seemingly come from left field?
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Tomegun - 6/14/09 @ 2:20 PM:
So Palin didn't have any speech writers during the campaign? She didn't shop for herself, or know where the clothes came from, but wrote her own speeches. Right.
I have never talked about Palin's family because that is just wrong and shouldn't have anything to do with her, but I recall someone on here talking about how Michelle Obama looks. Hmmm.
Plain and simple, if Palin didn't look the way she does hardly anyone outside of Alaska would even know who she is. She might not even be Governer of Alaska! Her looks have carried her thus far and her words have held her back. Palin, McCains aga/health and his seemingly bitterness really hurt the Republicans. What is worse is the fact that the campaign might not have been a true representation of who McCain really is.
I have never talked about Palin's family because that is just wrong and shouldn't have anything to do with her, but I recall someone on here talking about how Michelle Obama looks. Hmmm.
Plain and simple, if Palin didn't look the way she does hardly anyone outside of Alaska would even know who she is. She might not even be Governer of Alaska! Her looks have carried her thus far and her words have held her back. Palin, McCains aga/health and his seemingly bitterness really hurt the Republicans. What is worse is the fact that the campaign might not have been a true representation of who McCain really is.
Ryan Kazinec - 6/14/09 @ 3:43 PM:
Ally | Side B
I'm trying to remember where I spoke about Michelle's looks but the only thing I remember is saying that I don't like her personality but she is a very pretty woman. You'll have to point out where I said otherwise. I never said Palin wrote her speeches nor would I. All politicians should writer their own speeches but none of them do.
That's pretty presumputious and sexist in my opinion. So if Palin was an ugly duckling she wouldn't have amounted to anything?
From Wikipedia: "Sarah Louise Palin (pronounced /ˈpeɪlɨn/; née Heath; born February 11, 1964) is the Governor of the American state of Alaska. Palin was a member of the Wasilla, Alaska, city council from 1992 to 1996 and the city's mayor from 1996 to 2002. After an unsuccessful campaign for Lieutenant Governor of Alaska in 2002, she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004. She was elected Governor of Alaska in November 2006. Palin is the first female governor of Alaska and the youngest person elected governor of that state."
That's a decent resume' for someone who's only gotten where she is because she's an attractive woman. I see your point though, if she was ugly she couldn't do all of these things. (sarcasm implied)
Tomegun - 6/16/09 @ 1:32 AM:
Ally | Side B
Sorry if I made a mistake about what you said. I know someone said it, but it must not have been you.Understand where I am coming from. I HATE the fact that looks get people farther than they would be otherwise, but it is a sad fact of life and something that is all around us. I don't believe a lot of these people luck into certain positions or they are always the best for the job. Do you think Palin would have been McCain's running mate if she didn't look like she does? Remember, her looks were brought up on more than one occasion.
I'm not sexist at all, I just judge people for what they are regardless of sex, race, etc. Not sexist by a long shot, but I'm not giving someone a free pass either.
Look around at our society. For example (a stretch) on American Idol and So You Think You Can Dance I'm always telling Kim who is going to go and who is going to stay, partially based on how attractive they are to the fans. I knew Chris (don't know his last name right now) had a huge following, but I think the guy who was third was the best of the last three. Adam Lambert had drama and that signature yell/scream that didn't impress me - he was also basically a professional before the show. There was also that one girl who made it to the top 13 with the tattoos. She was awkward to say the least, but not bad to look at.
Ryan Kazinec - 6/16/09 @ 4:51 AM:
Ally | Side B
I'm actually going to shock you today as I agree with both comments you've left for the most part.It doesn't stop with looks though. Looking around my neck of the woods and also considering a term Palin used more than a couple of times "The Good Ole Boy Network" is yet another issue.
Out here it's who you know. My parents called the police on an obvious drunk driver one night as they were heading to the store. Before they made it to town the driver got pulled over. As they were heading home they saw the cop and the likely drunk driver laughing and joking. They were obvious buddies or family members.
In regards to American Idol there is yet another point I can bring up. Do you think Adam lost to Kris because he was gay? I've read there was a huge church following that voted against him which really gets me upset. In my opinion Adam was by far the best of the bunch. It does go to show Americans are celebrity, beauty, and trend obsessed.
Tomegun - 6/16/09 @ 10:38 PM:
Ally | Side B
I don't pay attention to everything about him, so I didn't even know that he came out and said he was gay. Again, we have a difference of opinion because I don't think he was best. Yes, he had the dramatic effect, but I'm not buying that yell he put into every performance. I think the guy who finished third was actually the best. This year was also a first on the show. I have never seen the judges make such blatant song/artist suggestions and have the contestants ignore them week after week. Side A Comment
DollyFan - 6/13/09 @ 9:32 AM:
Since the vote is for comments that seem from left field, I have to say that Palin has that covered by far. It doesn't mean that Sotomayor is perfect, though.
Kind of looks like this is turning into an Obama rivalry, though.
Oh, and a comment was made that the media didn't make any noise about Michelle's $540 shoes. There may not have been a ton of coverage about it but I did read something about it at the time. It's been long enough that I don't recall where. It just made the statement that her shoes were expensive and that made her seem kind of dumb about wearing them to a food bank. It just didn't blow up like some things do.
Kind of looks like this is turning into an Obama rivalry, though.
Oh, and a comment was made that the media didn't make any noise about Michelle's $540 shoes. There may not have been a ton of coverage about it but I did read something about it at the time. It's been long enough that I don't recall where. It just made the statement that her shoes were expensive and that made her seem kind of dumb about wearing them to a food bank. It just didn't blow up like some things do.
Side A Comment
ksawyer - 6/12/09 @ 2:51 PM:
Here's the reason why Palin was chastised for her clothes during the campaign: She billed herself as your average hockey mom. You tell me what hockey mom can spend $150,000 on a wardrobe! Granted she didn't purchase them, but sure as heck didn't refuse the purchases! I mean, really, if she seriously thought of herself as your average hockey mom, she would've said, "oh, those are too expensive. If I must have new clothes to reflect who I am, then let's buy them from Marshall's, Ross, TJ Maxx, JCPenny's -- something along those lines." But no, she gladly went shopping at Neiman Marcus, Saks, Bloomingdales, Barney's -- all the top end department stores!
You know what's funny about this whole Palin thing - when she was introduced on to the scene, I made the comments that she appeared to be good for the Republican party, that she energized them, that she brought life back to the party and then, she opened hour mouth! Oh boy!
And here's another funny thing. Sarah Palin has a following, she has this energy about her that makes people want to be around her, be in her corner, etc. But you know what? So does President Obama! There's just something about the both of them that lures people to them. But here's the major difference - President Obama rarely says anything that makes people scratch their head in wonder. On the other hand, more times than not, when Palin opens her mouth, you're pretty much guaranteed to show a look of shock/surprise/bewilderment because you can't believe she would say something so stupid. Not to mention, she's a frickin' governor! How the heck did that happen? Oh wait, the same people who elected her believed that George Bush (the second) had their best interest at heart!
You know what's funny about this whole Palin thing - when she was introduced on to the scene, I made the comments that she appeared to be good for the Republican party, that she energized them, that she brought life back to the party and then, she opened hour mouth! Oh boy!
And here's another funny thing. Sarah Palin has a following, she has this energy about her that makes people want to be around her, be in her corner, etc. But you know what? So does President Obama! There's just something about the both of them that lures people to them. But here's the major difference - President Obama rarely says anything that makes people scratch their head in wonder. On the other hand, more times than not, when Palin opens her mouth, you're pretty much guaranteed to show a look of shock/surprise/bewilderment because you can't believe she would say something so stupid. Not to mention, she's a frickin' governor! How the heck did that happen? Oh wait, the same people who elected her believed that George Bush (the second) had their best interest at heart!
Ryan Kazinec - 6/12/09 @ 7:10 PM:
Rival | Side B
Oh boy, where do I start? Let's start with the one and only thing I agree with in your comment. Obama and Palin both have following. Okay that sums up the agreements.
Okay, the clothes. Do you honestly think she went shopping at all of those clothing stores? I sincerely hope not. Do you think she had the time to ask where did you buy those clothes? Besides that, you want to talk about wasted tax dollars what about all of these dinner dates the Obamas are taking? Are you really telling me there's no where in DC to eat. I've been there and there are plenty of places to dine. If you ask me the Obamas are disrespecting the hell out of the tax payers with these lavish trips that cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars each time and for what? To represent themselves as a cute couple. I don't know many cute couples that waste that kind of money.
It's funny you didn't seem to comment on Michelles $500 shoes worn at the food bank of all places. Talk about misrepresentation. You go to a food bank wearing shoes that could feed 150 homeless people. Now that's class!
You represent Obama as a flawless man, he is not. in fact his true colors shine through when his teleprompter malfunctions or when he's not performing a speech that was written for him. If I could offer one compliment for Obama it would be that he is one hell of a performer.
I find it a bit refreshing that she isn't an ivy league liberal programmed robot.
"Oh wait, the same people who elected her believed that George Bush (the second) had their best interest at heart!"
The same thing can be said for the chosen one and good lord you've all got it wrong. We'll ask our kids and grand children what they think (When they're born and old enough to comprehend how much debt they have that is).
Side B Comment
Ryan Kazinec - 6/11/09 @ 8:35 AM:
This is tough because we're comparing apples to oranges but as of right now, Palin has made more random comments. However, I have a feeling I may change sides as more comes out on Sotomayor.
Tomegun - 6/11/09 @ 11:08 AM:
Ally | Side B
You are right, but Palin is well on her way to being classified as an Epic Idiot!
Ryan Kazinec - 6/11/09 @ 11:22 AM:
Ally | Side B
I wouldn't go that far myself. I like Palin and think the attacks she's received since being nominated for the VP role have been despicable. The question that concerns me is, If she was a liberal would she have been attacked or praised?
Tomegun - 6/12/09 @ 1:39 AM:
Ally | Side B
This is where I see some inconsistencies. You think some attacks on her are despicable, but you have no problem attacking Obama even when he isn't part of the subject. What's that all about? I'm not of the opinion that he does everything right, but he isn't all of our problems either.
Ryan Kazinec - 6/12/09 @ 5:10 AM:
Ally | Side B
I don't see an inconsistency. When have I ever attacked Obama on a personal level? Have I ever made horrible jokes about his family, like his two daughters for example? Even though I don't like Michelle, I never throw personal attacks her way. Neither does the media. That can't be said for Palin. She's been attacked in every aspect of her personal life from her down syndrome son to her teen daughters pregnancy. They aren't attacking her policies as I do Obama.
Ryan Kazinec - 6/12/09 @ 5:14 AM:
Ally | Side B
I should also add that some of the things Palin has said are certainly fair game for scrutiny such as her definition of the role of the VP and her foreign affairs policy as you've mentioned before. Just as Sotomayor's comments regarding race and sex playing a role in a judges competency and her idea that judges make policy even though they're only supposed to interpret law.
Ryan Kazinec - 6/12/09 @ 5:17 AM:
Ally | Side B
One last example. Look at what the media did to Palin for the cost of her campaign wardrobe and didn't even squeak about Michelle wearing $540 shoes to a food bank. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/michelle-obama-wears-silv_n_193138.html Palin was chastised for her clothes. Clothes she didn't elect to purchase and she certainly didn't own.
Side B Comment
Tomegun - 6/11/09 @ 7:55 AM:
It doesn't matter if it is saying your race makes you qualified or what you can see from your front porch, these two are "unique."
